Cool, almost to page 50. I have the greatest level of respect for this awesome game CCP lets us play. If Hilmar posted in this thread something like "Hey Ero, a lot of us think the bonus rounds are really funny, but we would prefer if you did xzy differently, maybe start a bank instead," I would totally honor his request.

So many people up in arms over something that happened awhile ago (and widely read on www.minerbumping.com in a 4 part series) because some guy named Ripard? posted something.

Instead of the "to the stakes!" talk, let's do what CCP falcon asked early on and remain civil. Thanks.

I would laugh and applaud if someone kicked Erotica1 in the face at a Fanfest.
Nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA.

I would also laugh and applaud if Erotica1 was banned from the game.
Again, nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA.

Wouldn't you?

Oh yeah. Advocating real life violence over **** in a video game. You are a gentleman AND a scholar.


YOU and those like you are the cancer killing the gaming community.

Yeah. You are probably the worst person in here.

Deeply unpleasant.

And yeah you dont care.

I dont care if you dont care.

You are a disgusting bully.

You are a hypocrit.

If this or any similar acts becomes a major news story CCP is going to have problems. The headline "Cyberbullying in EVE" will create unwanted attention. As a business, CCP should consider the situation and act so as to protect their profits and the game.

Personally I would like to see more sportsmanship in EVE. I think that would be a good use of CCP's efforts.

They are going to get a racist shouting at other people. You honestly expect the Beeb to take his side?

Why are people even siding with this *******? (the scammers)

are people just ignoring that they just went off and did the most **** move imaginable and instead some are saying how the victim should be punished instead

Good thing CCP is more neutral then you.

and would you be banning the racist, too?

mmmmhmmmm. There looking for death and destruction. Not some funny troll. People send them weird crap everyday. You think this audio file is any different?

can i just ask, WHY you did that? i mean you did psuh this innocent man over the edge for a bullshit gain

Finally, some moderation seems to have started.

I sincerely hope the threats of RL violence are removed from this thread now and the people that made them held to account.

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I would hate to be trying to explain to a cop, one who deals with real scumbags and has probably also been in war, why I was pressing charges (after ridiculing someone on the internet for several hours).

I can see the crew-cut battle hardened (and probably violent and dealing with PTSD) cop squinting at E1 and saying "so you feel threated by who? What? What are you talking about?"

if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?

I find your trivialization of **** abhorrent. In no way what happened here was it non-consensual.

What threat?

I offer you accomodation in my basement "Bonus Room". Ill double your water ration if you sing for me.
And no, this is not a scam, you can trust me, cos we are still in EVE, right?

I can imagine the news report.

"Disgruntled EVE player visits violence upon innocent fangoers after being scammed out of virtual assets which he did not legally own."

Source? Because as far as anyone can tell, no rules have been broken. (Wishful thinking is not a source)

Out of curiosity, is deliberately misrepresenting CCP communications bannable?

Yea i know his type. Thinks people are stupid, easily manipulated, and as long as he believes he can permeate even a modicum of doubt, that he can survive there.

Thriving within the benefit of the doubt.

If he has "every" bonus room round, it's proof he's demented and associates with people like erotica1. Any and all of them need to be purged from EvE's database. If they make the choice to disprespect people, it's only justice if they're disrespected by having their platform removed from under them.

Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.

Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.

Given what you have posted thus far, only you and a few others are looking at the very least a warning or possible forum bans.

CCP encourages and loves people who dance around the edges of the EULA and push the limits.

This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.

By driving one man from eve you get two more who begin to play because they want something different from the norm of spoon feeding MMOs.

Uhuh... I'm a nice guy, and so is ero. The entertainment he offers pleases hundreds. Including several members of TDSIN.

Still mad about losing a bonus round I see.

Snitches get stitches

Someone call Taggart!

Please be civil guys. Calling people autistic and such is not nice. Some of my best friends are autistic, gay, minorities, etc. I am not joking, this is not some troll. These allegedly white knight carebears here, on minerbumping, and everywhere seem to be some of the most hateful people I have ever run into in my life. Most of the scammers, pirates, corp thieves, etc, meanwhile are gentlemen.

It seems that people like to come to EVE to be the opposite of what they are outside of game quite often.

Stay calm, stay civil, and remember this is just a game. Ok, now I have to backup like 7 pages as this thread is growing faster than I can read.

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You really are scary.

I think you lost credibility with this one. I seriously doubt the FBI are going to get out of bed for this. The likely outcome here is that CCP take a public hosing, E1 et al. take an EVE ass reaming i.e permaban / account loss etc, the "contestant" takes a 30 day for inciting racial hatred.................

Right, and after about 5 minutes of "digging" they'll realize the tip was completely bogus and involved none of the things you listed.

This is what I'm talking about. How sick would you have to be to equate paedophilia and the plethora of crimes you listed with what happened between 2 adults in the context of a video game, where one adult willingly subjected himself to verbal harassment/abuse when all he had to do to 'walk away' would be to hit the power button on his PC?


That is a very sick and twisted mind if you honestly feel that these things are on the same level.

I liked the part where you are willing to lie to law enforcement and waste their time and money, and somehow you still think you have the moral high-ground.

And after they hear Sohkar leave and return several times during the recorded "evidence" they will laugh at the whole thing then hopefully charge you with wasting their time.

Oh look, petty insults. I'm sorry English isn't my first language and I'm not as skilled at twisting words around as you are. So he didn't 'compare' what happened to paedophilia. Instead, he implied that he was going to tip the FBI that the perpetrator was doing that. Does that make you feel better now that you've won at nitpicking and failed to address a post like an adult?

Please go for a walk since you seem to get upset over random strangers posting on the internet. It's OK, sometime it happens to people with weak mental constitution.

Thanks for playing.

This is one of the most disgusting posts in this thread and borders on the real world crime of swatting. Looks like you wish for me and my family to suffer real world fear over some internet spaceship alleged pixel scam thing. Get some help.

Are you linking this Thread???

Do you feel it's acceptable for a game company to knowingly allow obvious psychopaths to use their product to lure victims into out-of-game situations?

Mr Epeen

Keep blowing this out of proportion or else Sohkar ends up in prison.

I found the soundcloud for one of the mayonnaise bonus room incidents alluded to earlier in this thread and others.

Erotica 1 mayonnaise + picture audio

All I can say is creepy. Just creepy. Probably best to not have our game involved in stuff like this.

Well one thing is for sure, due to the vile heresies against HTFU and rampant pansification on display here, I am taking the unprecedented step of adding a +5 to our Kill-It-Forward queue.

The inquisitors of HTFU will slaughter no less than five innocent carebears in hisec in the coming days, and let them know it is because of heretics like Ripard and Luminous Spirit that they are suffering their losses.

Your heresies, our hands, their blood, your conscience,

Insha'Allah.

F

To be clear, someone offered you 20 bil to literally do nothing, and you refused? You dumb.

FFS I'll post whatever anyone wants (within the rules, of course) for 20 Bil.

Exactly.

"Get Bent"

You know sometimes I do a quick awox on a corp & they threaten to cut my throat while I'm asleep. Other times I do a quick 20 minute scam for all of their assets & isk & they want to box me when they realise what happened 4 days later. I tend to just let this go & think nothing of it because it's a heat of the moment thing & never produces any results. Here's the problem I have with Erotica1: He's a sadistic & really creepy person.

It's one thing to do a quick thing for profit & leave them wondering what the hell just happened, but it's quite another to do the kind of crap you do to people over the course of several hours.

Would you like to know more?

Well i pointed out early in this thread what worst case senarios could be if allowed to continue, but seems there are many perverted minds out there that seems to think this is ok.
So lets take it a step further and address another elephant in the room, kids, you know those not legal yet that accually plays this game with us.

How many of those has been experimented on by this group of extortionists? wild guess?
Anyway you wanna swing this, we have them, and this is a game not a social experiment on them.

A group that accually spend their ingame time devicing plans and putting together experiments on how to get people to humiliate themself as much as possible, aint no good for a community and has gone a far way from beeing the average tradehub scammer.

Too bad my English aint good enough to say all the fancy words needed to explain what this group of people is, and further more the total abcense of morale and understanding from E1 and the ilk, is rather disturbing in this context.
But i guess someone with better understanding in the English word can fire that torch for me.

By the way, i must say this must be one of the better treads i`ve followed in a long time.

Try and Burn or BAN E1 and Sohkar get's a orange jumpsuit. E1 could threaten CCP with this if they try and ban him. Want to talk about Bad Publicity Now?

http://evenews24.com/2014/03/25/jesters-trek-the-bonus-round/
Can you claim it unbiased? Torture. lawl.

This thread is beyond the point where CCP should have killed it for off topic posts etc. But while its still here I might as well throw myself into the meat grinder.

I think Erotica 1 should be banned from the game for his actions in this instance. His actions should have ended at taking the mans ISK, instead he verbally and psychologically abused the man for two hours.

However I also condemn those who may or may not have Blackmailed Erotica 1 for one reason or another. I also do not agree with the victims racist and homophobic comments, even if they were made under duress.

That said I'll go ahead and try to counter the main arguments for those in opposition to a ban of Erotica 1.

He could have left at any time.: A common argument and at first glance it holds up to scrutiny, which is why those who haven't given it enough thought continuously trot it out. And the original statement is true. He did not HAVE to be on the TS server. But this does not at all excuse Erotica 1's actions. Erotica 1 ALSO had a choice. He and his friends did not have to continuously and repeatedly make fun of the victim behind his back, they could have scammed him, took his assets and then said 'good day to you sir' and then ended it.

Instead they chose to keep stringing this man out, specifically target a speech impediment, and when this man finally snapped and shouted insulting racial and gay slurs they also could have ended it, instead they continued. When the mans wife tried to intervene the ridicule moved to her as well.

Disregarding the rights of the Victim's, and blaming them for being 'in the wrong place at the wrong time' is alarming to me. Its like the archaic way of thinking of women and minorities. GÇ£Well she shouldn't have dressed so sluttyGÇ¥, GÇ£He shouldn't have been in a white neighborhoodGÇ¥, GÇ£He shouldn't have kissed his boyfriend when I was right there.GÇ¥

He consented to join the TS and have it recorded. He did not consent to be ridiculed for two hours while desperately trying to get his Internet Space Money back.

He was an idiot/naive/greedy so its his fault and he deserved it: This Darwinism is another classic argument posted many times and also blames the victim. It also smacks of archaic thinking. If I willingly give someone my credit card information, and then they steal all my money using that credit card, it in no way reduces the criminal liability of the person who took my information because I was an idiot.

Stupidity, greed, or naivety are not excuses for a man to be taken, humiliated repeatedly and publicly. EVE is supposed to be dark yes. But the darkness is not supposed to stem from outright cruelty and abuse, but from the fact that a persons actions have consequences in the game world. The victim suffered the consequences when he stupidly/greedily/naively consented to handing over all his assets by LOSING those assets.

But at no point did he say 'you have all my assets so make fun of me as you like, and my wife as well, and if you guys want one of my weak points to target I have certain problems with speaking'.

Its just ISK, its not real and doesn't matter The ISK involved is not real yes. But the abuse exhibited on the victim by Erotic 1 and co. is real. Verbal Abuse leaves no physical marks but it sure as hell can hurt someone.

And if it was only about the ISK the argument would be about the scam itself, not what happened afterward.

CCP can't do anything because it happened out of Game/ Didn't break the actual rules etc. Fon Revedhort was prevented from running for CSM because of his political views. Did he get banned because he said these things in game? No. He stood up on a pedestal outside of CCP's purview, via Websites, Podcasts etc. and because CCP did not want the CSM and EVE as a whole to be associated with his views they prevented him from running for an office that dealt primarily with the game.

RMT also happens out of game. Everything that happens in game, aside from bots, is completely legitimate play until it becomes associated with dealings outside the game. And CCP has been actively working against RMT, with the wide support of the community for a while now.

GÇ£User contentGÇ¥ Is the specific word used in the rulebook. This is a very broad definition, probably intentional, and this situation involves a TS recording by multiple EVE users, for the purpose of distribution to EVE users, by ridiculing and verbally and psychologically abusing another EVE user. Under any but the most obtuse lawyers definition could this not be defined 'player content'.

It wasn't torture and Ripard shouldn't have put it as such The actual phrase torture might be a BIT to much for this case. Harassment would be a better term. Here is the actual definition from the NCSL Link at the bottom of the post.

Cyberharassment usually pertains to threatening or harassing email messages, instant messages, or to-áblog entries or websites dedicated solely-áto tormenting an individual.

Of course, because most lawyers are tech illiterate, it does not include voice communication. But you notice something? You don't have to read blog entries or websites, or open emails and text messages. And yet this is not mentioned anywhere about the victim of harassment being liable for viewing their harassment. The blame falls squarely on the abuser.

Using an internet medium for the sole purpose of tormenting an individual? Check.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

Again, this is the kind of thinking that makes the world worse. Now pay close attention, because I'm going to tell you why any **** analogy is really bad, and an indication of an emotional reaction rather than rational thought.

Bonus room = consensual, right from the very beginning when you CHOOSE to hand over ISK and assests. You cannot coerce someone with their stuff if they gave you all there stuff freely and willingly. You are entirely responsible for making the choice to hand of your isk and assets.

**** = non-consensual. The woman never gets a choice. The woman is never responsible for what she goes through here.

Now go to your room for ten minutes and have a think about what you've said. Maybe smoke a bud or something to calm down.

Tell me how more soldiers died from suicide than battle throughout history.

How many of them killed themselves because someone took their pixels and laughed about it?

Unless those issues don't actually exist except in the minds of people who misinterpret and fail to analyse statistics.

So, how did your call to the FBI go? Or one of those hilarious "watchdog" groups you kept boasting about?

I played in a sandbox when I was a kid. One time I found poop in it. I took the poop out. Then I went back to having fun.

All first time offenders caught in gang raping has a get out of jail freecard, yes?

So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Note, thanks Prince Kobol for reminding me of PEGI, they too have since been contacted with links to audio, forum, etc for review and hopefully action.

I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba.

You know the common character in the movies? The violent criminal that loves to taunt the cops and DA with his superior intellect. Oh, they know what he's up to, but they can't quite get him because this guy read the TV book of law and now knows exactly how to break the spirit of the law while technically staying within the letter of it.

Not that it really matters. He's just such a lovable scamp that we adore him anyway. We see him as the victim and because he's so gosh darn cute in the way he sadistically manipulates people we clap at the end when law and order lose.

You know what? THAT **** AIN'T REAL!

Out here in the real world you don't get to play the not-technically-breaking-the-rules card. When the people who make the rules know you are being a ****, you get stomped on. When your sycophants try to come to your rescue, they are ignored. When it happens in/out of an MMO it won't be long before people are asking, Erotica who?

Oh yeah. Good morning everyone.

Mr Epeen

TIL singing Gummy Bears to the Rescue is "acute psychological pain".

Well done, Ripard, well done indeed.

Good fight.

...defending cyber-bullying...deflecting...shifting blame....

There is hope out there.

you mean a system where people who file baseless reports have a detrimental effect on your game, meaning the butthurt miner you gank with the most accounts can ruin your game because he doesn't agree with how you play eve?

doesn't sound open to abuse at all.

Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused.

Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him.

Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him.

Use your brain for two seconds and you'll understand why this is not possible. (its not because of "false reports")

have you ever tried slamming a revolving door?

there are things that are impossible, that is one of them.

Can you make a definitive point? It would go a long way to earning my vote.

I'm not Erotica 1. I'm sure you're familiar with his voice from the recording, yes?

You're free to talk to me on comms at any point.

Obviously it would need something to prevent abuse, but the concept is good. In EVE players with a red card could lose forum posting and local posting 'privileges'. No more forum trolls and no more scammers in Jita. Self regulation 4tw.